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that bashar al assad's regime has begun mixing sarin gas. >>> the speaker of the house, john boehner offered up his own plan to avoid the fiscal cliff today. does it add up? >>> and the u.s. ambassador to the united nations, susan rice comes under fire again. this time, it's over rwanda. let's go "outfront. >>> good evening, welcome, everyone. "outfront" tonight breaking news, president obama puts the syrian president on notice. the president is reacting to new evidence that assad's regime has started mixing chemicals to make deadly sarin gas, adding to its massive stockpile of chemical weapons. >> and today i want to make it absolutely clear to assad and those under his command, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences and you will be held accountable. >> assad is on the edge of president obama's so-called red line against syria. the president said this summer that syria's use or movement of chemical weapons could mean u.s. intervention. so outfront tonight,
and team boehner are back at the negotiating table. but there is still substantial disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama
. interesting. president obama and speaker boehner. nobody else. with 24 days before a year-end deadline, "the new york times" says boehner made the request to clear the negotiation room going forward, leaving it up to himself and the president to reach a deal to avoid automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts. and while the two men may be negotiating privately, yesterday the president took his message to the public, visiting a local virginia family as a part of his my2k social media campaign, sitting around the kitchen table. he told the family he was optimistic. >> the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. the senate has already passed a bill that would make sure the middle-class taxes don't go up next year by a single dime. just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one and that is good for the american economy. >> what great news, i think. don't you think so
with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> well, not quite yet. u.s. officials tell us that the syrian military is poised to use chemical weapons against their own people, and all it would take really is the final order from syrian president assad. but we have learned that as of today, all the precursored chemicals for
, president ratcheted up the lesh on john boehner. >> no one wants to have this done more than me. >> reporter: telling agencies to watch for massive spending cuts from going over the fiscal cliff and warped the business exectives the economy could take another hit if the republicans decide to extend the middle class tax cut to avoid the cliff for now. then come back with more leverage. to tie it to a hike in the debt ceiling. >> we are 23409 going play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they are going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, take us to brink of default again, i will not play that game. >> republicans held their own meeting with small business owners denying they're trying to punt. >> i'll be here and available at any moment to sit down with the president to get serious abouting the problem. >> they noted the president has not scheduled any meetings with the g.o.p. leaders in weeks. not offered any counterproposal to boehner's plan from last week. >> a balanced approach the president has been asking for. now we need response from the white house. >> re
from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> house speaker boehner saying that is president obama and the democrats to save you for being higher taxes. this fiscal cliff thing, the problem with the republicans, larry, is that they have been boxed in by the democrats into a difficult position where the polls confirm that the public in america believe that the reason that president obama is going to win the debate is because, come the fiscal cliff moment, that if he goes over, that they are going to save the backsides of the wealthy 2% of americans. i probably shouldn't but i do. >> speaking as a reagan conservative, i must say i rather agree with you. probably shouldn't. but i do. i think divided government is very difficult. and there's some principles that speaker boehner is fighting for, with which i actually agree. but i think politically, the risk here for the gop, is they've become the party of rich people. and they give up the middle-class to the democrats. and i think you saw some of that in the presidential election. i don't think that's their inten
with virtually nothing. >> distinctly unhappy house speaker john boehner on fox news yesterday. meanwhile, the white house put out a statement today arguing the republican plan lowers tax rates for the wealthy and quote, sticks the middle class with the bill. so with 29 days to go until the fiscal cliff, what would it take to get a deal? joining me now, men on opposite sides, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform and robert reish, former secretary of labor for president bill clinton and the author of "beyond outrage." none of the three of us are beyond outrage, grover norquist, which is why i keep having you back. the situation it seems to me as an impartial observer here is that both sides have now made fairly ludicrous offers that they know the other side is never going to accept in a million years. that does beg the question, grover, why bother, given that both sides know where they need to move, why the games? >> well, it's not clear that both sides know. the week after the election, president obama was asked do you have to have the higher rates or could we have deduc
speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes. we have just come down from higher levels. the ibex up .2 of a percent. overnight we saw china leadersh
with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't work. >> reporter: he won't agree to eliminate a tax deduction for contributions to charity. >> every hospital and university and nonfor profit agency across the country would find themselves on the verge of collapse. so that's not a realistic option. >> reporter: but the president didn't say all this to speaker boehner. he said it in an interview on bloomberg tv. the last time the two men spoke was almost a week ago. president obama is focused on the stalemate with congress over averting the fiscal cliff, but he's just not talking to house republicans about it. at the white house, he discussed the issue with a bipartisa
. so i say to my friend, john boehner, the speaker of the house of representatives, you control matters on the floor. no one else does. you have the ability and you're the only one that has the ability to put this on the floor for a vote. he should do that. that would be the american way. would the chair announce the business of the day. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the leadership time is reserved. under the previous order, the senate will be in a period of morning business for up to four hours with the senate permitted therein for up to ten minutes each with the majority controlling the 230eurs minutes. -- controlling the first 30 minutes. mr. reid: i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: ms. stabenow: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from michigan. ms. stabenow: thank you, madam president. the presiding officer: we are in a quorum call. ms. stabenow: i would ask suspension of the quorum call. the presiding officer: without objection. ms. stabenow: thank you. madam president, i rise toda
boehner getting enough republicans. i think nancy pelosi has proven she can pass things. she's proven to be a good soldier. boehner has a harder time coraling the tea party. he's taken steps to show who is boss. he punished four members withdrawaling their favorite assignments. he's got the leadership lined up with him. he looked like a very weak speaker ten days ago. he's looking stronger now. i think republicans understand that the deal they get after the first of the year is a worst deal than they get before the end of the year because the next congress is more favorable to democrats. i think he's in a better position to make the sale this time. >> one thing we have been watching is the two-step process. tom cole of oklahoma has taken a lot of heat from his own party suggesting to get the tax cuts out of the way for the tax cuts. here is what he's having to say about that. >> none of us want to raise the rates on anybody. but the reality is the rates on everybody go up at the end of the month. since we agree with the democrats, 98% of the american people and 80% of the bush tax cut
. on fox news sunday, boehner called that deal a joke. >> just flabbergasted. i looked, and said, you can't be serious? i just never seen anything like it. we got seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. three of those weeks have been wasted with the nonsense. >> okay. you heard them, the first time in two decades now, acknowledge they want revenues up as the balanced plan, a good first steppedded, but they have to say what they do operates and revenues. that's hard for republicans. >> runs of billions of spending cuts, tax increases begin in less than a month, and with the negotiations, two sides are about where they started. still, aids say it's early to be moving to an agreement with plenty of time for each side to extract the best deal possible before selling it to the parties and selling position to voters. with that, president obama is hosting a twitter question-and-answer next hour. back to you. >> signs on for that. rich, thank you. >> time is returning out on the fiscal cliff, and the next guest thinks there's a deal brewing, optimistic. that's david, adviser's c
from speaker boehner's plan, $800 billion in tax reform savings. so this is the new tax revenue. this is the amount, 800 billion. this would be through closing loopholes, not through increasing tax rates, which republicans remain opposed to the $600 billion in health savings, that's the entitlement reform, that's medicare cuts and other spending cuts to entitlement programs. look at how this compares to the white house plan. $1.6 trillion in new taxes, which is two times the amount of revenue in speaker boehner's counter off err. also $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements, that's $200 billion less in cuts to entitlements, also asking congress to give up its authority on the debt limit vote to have a very long debt limit vote which is a non-starter for republicans. they like to have that power. the white house dismissing this as nothing new. they're saying it lacks specifics, as you heard n that conglomeration of sound bite there's, because speaker boehner doesn't outline exactly what deductions he would target. he doesn't outline his entitlement cuts, but there
on the rich. >> yes. speaker of the house john boehner not willing to budge on demands to end the bush year tax cuts but is offering a 2.to kbrinl reduction plan as a counter proposal to ending breaks. this afternoon, house speaker spent the president a letter outlining $800 billion through tax reform. but the cuts remain in place. the plan calls for $600 billion in savings from health sources, $300 billion in additional mandatory savings. sound vague to you? abc 7 political analyst says that is part of the game. >> every time you make cuts at this point, you're affecting some constit twensys going to get mad at you. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion in new revenue over next 10 years mostly from the rich. speaker boehner offering half of that amount through his tax reforms and if they can't find an agreement it means on january 1 nearly every american will pay more income tax, between 2000 and $2400 for average families. san francisco cafe distill, the owner says we can pay that. if his employees have to pay, that would hurt. >> $2400 makes a big difference for employees making b
in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, z
: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately dismissed that plan, saying, the lower tax rates for the rich and quote, fix the middle class with a bill. again, we come back to this. the main sticking point is the tax rate issue. the president insists more revenue comes from higher rates, not deduction limits. -pit's a standoff and it contins less than four weeks to go until the deadline. be careful what you say in a local police want a law, new law requiring that text messages be saved for two years. how do you feel about that? ever texted something you wish would go away right now? there is of course the privacy issue as well. well, here comes the judge. he will be new at 10 on this one. got it. shares of darden restaurants, they're down today and they're the company that runs olive garden, red lobster, and they're dow
business he's meeting with the governors today. john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you very much. we are going to keep with the fiscal cliff and take a look at who is talking. charles krauthammer weighing in on the negotiations. the approach on the president and democrats didn't about the economy at all but rather about politics. >> i am not serious at all about entitlements. the president himself said that's where the money is. on social security he denied there is any effect on the deficit at all. durbin said social security hasn't added a dime to the deficit. in 2012 it added $160 billion of debt. that is more than a dime. there are 2.5 trillion in the trust fund in social security that will take care of it for 20 more years, 25 more years. that means pieces of paper in the trust fund where the treasury says we will pay you. it doesn't have the money. it spent surpluss in the past. that's a promise from the
a republican counter offer. >> john boehner sent a proposal that offers more than $2 trillion in deficit reductions but no tax increase. >> he will not sign an extension of the bush era tax cuts for the top 2%. >> folks worried about the fiscal cliff, are you like me? are you worried about it and have no idea what it is? >> according to state tv iran's revolutionary guard captured a u.s. drone after it entered the iriranian air space over the persian gulf. >> but u.s. navy official says there are no missing drones. >> prince william and his wife katherine, expecting their first child. >> after the duchess was admitted to hospital. >> that child could grow up to be one of the most powerful unemployed people in the world. >> a search is under way in new york for a man accused of pushing another man to his death in the subway. >>> rg3, he made opportunities. >> 17-16 washington redskins. >> all that -- >> why don't you shut up? >> you are an embarrassment. >> please shut up. just shut up. >> you shut up. >> that got annoying at the end. >>> and all that matters. >
most are the president, speaker boehner. what do we know about the personal relationship that might illuminate what's going on right now? >> well, they started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling, and they had what are calledded the merlot and nicorette's meetings. in other words, boehner would have a merlot, and obama would chew nicorette. >> you point outside in the book somehow when they took the official photo, both of those vanished. >> yes. they had iced tea there for obama. of course, boehner had his seg represent, and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away for the picture, but they have not closed the deal on the personal relations, and that's a shame. i think if somebody, instead of sponsoring your breakfast and all, sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and boehner and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them just talk and get to know each other and see, you know, it's -- >> how much -- >> oh, that's right. what do you think? >> i think that's a great idea. [inaudible] a special room. >> i'm not sure -- [inaudible] >> yeah, okay, but, well,
boehner. what do we know about the personal relationship that might eliminate what's going on right now? >> they've started out last year when they were working on the debt ceiling and they had buber called the merlot and nicorette meeting come in other words, boehner would have a merlot and obama which you nicorette. >> you point out in the boat somehow when they took the official photo, both of the spanish. >> yes, they had iced tea for obama. of course boehner had a cigarette and they put the cigarette in the ashtray away from the picture. but they haven't closed the deal on the personal relations and that's a shame. i think somebody said this month during your breakfast, you should sponsor a weekly dinner between obama and honor and everyone would agree to pay for it and let them talk and get to know each other. [inaudible] >> john collingwood. that's right. what do you think? [inaudible] [laughter] >> a special round? well, you know it's a personal relationships, when john was the sba spokesman, he was often not helpful, but you could always talk to him and get him on the phone and
're not in office. >> bill: no. and they're so damn cocky. boehner, so full of himself. the fact is he keeps saying well we still control the house. wait a minute. they lost the white house. they lost five seats in the senate. didn't even come close to getting control of the senate. and yeah, they still have control of the house but they lost eight seats there. they lost eight seats in the house! basically the american people said we don't want your damn favor the rich philosophy. we want to go in a different direction. obama's direction. thanks victoria. up in the great state of rhode island. joey he's on a tear here in chicago. what do you say joey? >> caller: good morning, bill. i say let's get out the government grilled cheese. let's go live in our cardboard boxes and go over the cliff. i am so sick of these spoiled rich people! they're a bunch of spoiled rotten babies! i'm cooking up the government grilled cheese. we're going over the cliff! >> buckle up, here we go! >> bill: buckle up, here we go. i'm wit
'll eventually yield on raising tax rates on the wealthy, but john boehner is standing firm against those high taxes. >> we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there to try to get this question resolved. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because a small group of governors want to extend tax rates for 2% of americans. no reason why that should happen. >> geithner says republicans will be responsible if no budget deal is reached by the end of the month. boehner says the fight has only begun and he's interested in cutting a deal and not sounding a fiscal alarm. we'll be talking about how the two sides might be able to break the deadlock with a did democratic strategist in the next half hour or so. now, singapore airlines has confirmed it's in talks with interested parties to try to divest its 49% stake in the british airline virgin atlantic. didn't say who the party was, but reporting suggest it could be the u.s. carrier delta air lines. it's been look to go acquire the
or negotiations yesterday at all. no formal e-mails, to conversations, nothing. house speaker boehner's countdown led to the lighting of the capitol hill christmas tree last night. >> three, two, one. >> reporter: but washington is counting down this month to the dark unknown of the fiscal cliff. >> thanks for having me. >> reporter: on his first view sbr interview on the fiscal cliff, he rejected john boehner's proposal. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> reporter: raising taxes on households earning more than $250,000. >> we'll have to see the rates on the top 2% go up. we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> reporter: republicans want smaller tax increases overall and no movement on higher income tax rates. they want to cut unnamed tax bre breaks and deductions, which they say will do more to boost economic growth. the white house considers the proposal and economic rationale behind it laughable. >> we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> reporter: republicans answ
about one hour after republican house speaker john boehner held a news conference suggesting that the president has been unwilling to compromise on a deal to cut our debt and complaining about washington's, quote, spending program. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue that the president seeks on the table, but none of it is going to be possible if the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. that's not the way to get to an agreement that i think is important for the american people and very important for our economy. alisyn: the bitter partisan fight over the debt deal even came up in a surprising way at last night's national tree lighting ceremony in washington. during a rendition of santa claus is coming to town one of the musicians paused and started talking to president obama. let's watch. >> you all be good this year? [yeah ] >> i don't know. y'all been good this year? [yeah] >> how about you mr. president, you've been good? i don't know, i don't know. you might be able to use a little more golf with some republica
boehner admits that basically the president won the election, and that, in fact, taxes have to go up, in terms of tax rates have to go up on the rich, the president is prepared to see the nation go off the fiscal cliff, shep. >> shepard: what's the thinking on whether they can actually come together at some point here, ed? >> right now it's pretty dim. if you look at what speaker john boehner said in that exclusive interview with our own chris wallace on "fox news sunday." he said right now there are nowhere in these talks. other serious republicans like lindsey graham says he thinks we are edging closer to closer to this just being in calamity. >> i think we are going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me that they made a political calculation. >> he believes we are likely to go of 00 cliff now. the bottom line is tonight the president is hosting congressional leaders for this congressional ball. basically a black tie holiday party. maybe they will start talking about compromise but so far none in site. ed henry live on the north lawn. prince william's wife kate in the hospital be
governor tried to -- john boehner, i am neil cavuto, we may be on the brink but that does not mean cuomo still does not give washington to give up some bank. 42 needed millions dollars for hurricane sandy relief. similar requests likely coming from governors in new jersey and connecttcut. who all together want this all too dumbing figure in post hurricane help, a hundred billion bucks, i don't know if they get all of it, but i think they get most, here is why americans, have big hearts, folks need help. they need a lot, many still without power, and without homes and without patience or hope, something needs to be done. judging from the back slapping help politicians, the government is still the one to do it but is it? think about it. if the road to virtue were paved with billion dollar bills then everyone in washington would be the pope, news flash, they are not, they are not good as getting bang for their buck. think of all those gas taxes that were to pay for those bridges, or tolls of no bridges to pay for fixing those bridges, and highways. think about that social security lockbox.
boehner, he has an idea of who's holding things up. >> there are a lot of things that are possible to put the revenue the president seeks on the table. but none of it's going to be impossible. the president insists on his position. insists on my way or the highway. >> in his weekly white house address this morning, president obama responded to boehner's remark. >> i'm willing to make more entitlement spending cuts on top of the one trillion dollars in spending cuts i signed into law last year. but if we're serious about reducing our deficit while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about protecting middle class families, then we're also going to have to ask the wealthiest americans to pay higher tax rates. that's one principle i won't compromise on. >>> holiday hiring may have given a big boost to the jobs report released yesterday. retail hirers hired more people than any month on record since 1939. 146,000 jobs were added to the economy last month, and the unemployment rate fell to a four-year low of 7.7%
cliff getting closer. boehner the president a letter you lining the republicans' plan it took two hours for the white house to reject it, saying it benefits wealth any and sticks middle class with the bill. republicans want cuts to -- [ unintelligible ] we have quiet start here on wall street, positive, dow and s&p, nasdaq lower investors continuing to track what is going on in washington. bloomberg index this morning a little lower. another positive report on home prices up 6.3% in october biggest jump since june of 2006. pending forecast indicates november index up more than 7% in california better, up more than 9% in october. live at the new york stock exchange, i'm jane king. >> you passed on grease how about a little singing in the rain? >> [ unintelligible ] >> if mike wants to sing, go ahead. >> sing and dance. >> soft shoe over there. >> i have an umbrella for you. you -- good morning. 6:48, looking from mount tamalpais this morning back down on what is mainly cloudy to the south, turning to the north it would pick up what we are seeing on live doppler 7 hd now, light rain scatt
is up to speaker boehner. and they wanted to see specific details so that they could actually begin the negotiations. what we see in this statement is that they feel he did not provide those details. now, the speaker and the president will see each other tonight we think at a holiday reception here at the white house. we'll see if they will actually discuss this, wolf. >> all right. the republicans hated the democratic initial proposal. the white house hates the republican counterproposal. we'll have much more in our next hour, jessica, thank you. >>> and you're in "the situation room." happening now, president obama issued a clear warning to the president bashar al assad. there will be consequences if you use chemical weapons against your own people. new details of the tragedy that shocked the sports world. an orphaned newborn baby. what drove an nfl player to commit a murder/suicide. >>> and a royal pregnancy results in a royal health scare. why morning sickness has land the duchess of cambridge in the hospital. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the wo
and representatives of big business to discuss the plan and house speaker jone boehner will meet with the governors and plans to conduct rallies with small business owners and not sure when they will sit down and talk again. >> steve: thank you very much, kelley. we heard there are a number of democrats willing to jump off of the cliff schumer to name one. the white house is telling democrat reporters that the president is not eager to but he is willing to go off of the cliff if the republicans don't agree to raising income tax rates. >> gretchen: that is not surprising. on the show, basically all of the cuts that are coming january 1st are part of the dnc platform except for raising taxes on the middle class which would be $2000 per family under $250,000 income. why would this be a smart thing to do. because january when congress is back in session and they have a few more democrats coming to the table. they could simply pass a tax cutting bill for the middle class to take care of that part of the problem and the entire blame goes on the republican problem and to the pressure of whether or not the
boehner comes out and gives his talk right after the election -- >> but honestly, the administration has criticized the republicans because there are no specifics in the spending cuts. >> come on, look. the erskine bowles language -- you know how this works. house republicans are will -- >> give me one. >> i won't play that game and here's why. house republicans -- house republicans are willing to sit . house republicans are willing to sit down. they're not any more anxious to deal with the cuts and pass the cuts than anybody else is but we demonstrated through the ryan budget, we did it once, we did it twice -- >> i'll give you that point. i wish everybody would stop talking about this in public and get behind closed doors and actually make this happen. i can't believe the amount of tough that is talking, the tough talk, we'll go over the cliff, we'll go over the cliff. >> let me ask you a point. it's a fiscal speed bump a $600 billion tax we need. the real thing we're headed for is the long-term progress we have to make. i'm very concerned the atmosphere is very poisoned the $600 billi
the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also weighed in yesterday saying the president is willing to allow the nation to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> we are learning new details about colorado's shooting suspect james holmes now that thousands of e-mails in the case have been released. messages indicate holmes may have had a brief romantic relationship in the days before the tragedy. we have learned that in early june, holmes began specifically talking and fantasizing about killing a lot of people. his psychiatrist was so worri
boehner's offer in the fiscal cliff talks is that this is going to happen no matter what. they talked about holding the line -- megyn: no, wait, wait, wait, let me interrupt because i just don't want to confuse the two, because all the taxes are confusing. i'm saying this surtax, this .9 income tax surtax, and then this 3.8% surtax on nearly all capital gains, that is happening irrespective of what happens with the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> almost certainly. unless somehow it became part of the negotiations to turn it off, but i'm not hearing that. megyn: okay. so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because we'll have that additional surtax o
about now, specifically very important people like president obama and speaker boehner, is the tax code and these programs that we sometimes call entitlements, medicare, medicaid and social security. those are the things that are on the table at the moment, not defense. unless the bargain fails, unless the two sides cannot get together and then the thing that will happen, and it will happen quickly, are drastic cuts in defense and domestic spending and an automatic increase in taxes. that is what must be avoided. just because the economy couldn't take it at this stage. we've had relatively slow growth in the economy, and though it seems to be picking up and the last jobs report was quite favorable, having a crash austerity program right now, that's what the fiscal cliff is, would be a big mistake. so the two sides have to get together on this grand bargain. >> well, we certainly hope they do. alice rivlin, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >>> switching gears now. what is the future for the pop star psy? he may have the most popular video in the history of youtube, but an old vide
. >> thank you, karen. obviously boehner put his counterproposal on the table. conservatives in his party are not happy about what he has put down. republicans are defending that saying, wait a minute. the fact that some folks in our party are angry means our proposal is actually a compromise. the president's was not. that's how they're kind of, you know, explaining some of the dissension within their own ranges, saying, sign of a real compromise, they have now put forward. >> really what they're hung up on is the tax rate dispute at the end of the day. >> for the top 2%. the president, gave an interview and flat out said unless you all degree that the tax rates -- not the revenue, but the tax rates go up, there is no deal. >> although last year, 2011, the president said, maybe we can, generate more revenue just by eliminating these tax loopholes. he didn't mention anything about tax increases. but then he says, well, you come to the table and it all comes down to math. it didn't add up. that's why he needs tax increases. >> elections change things. >> math. >>> well, there will be a full
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